Terifficpets.com houses hundreds if not thousands of breeders online. Although it is said that the majority of the users online are fraudulent, they are now making steps in protecting those who plan on making a purchase through the site. Though they went as far as deleting the post in regards to the matter after some correspondence they are working dilligently in helping resolve this matter, as you can read in the following. Educate yourself when thinking of purchasing a dog online.

Wednesday, July 19, 2006

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Just purchased a puppy through this site
I think I've been scammed


Rza
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msg #1
IP: Logged 7:18:15 PM 7/16/2006
I'm not sure but we just went to LAX to pick up the puppy, he's adorable but the ad said he was a Jack Russell Terrier. That's what we wanted and the dog looks just like a min pin.

We went to petsmart to get some stuff for him and even the employees couldn't believe it was a Jack Russell. We've been calling the people that sold the dog but they aren't answering nor calling us back.

I have such mixed feelings about this because I don't want to send the dog back but at the same time I feel that i've been taken advantage of and basically victimized.

Please give me any suggestions of what you think I should do. We also paid by money order... :-/
bigdog22
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IP: Logged 7:21:15 PM 7/16/2006
Please post a picture of your puppy, and people on this site can give you their thoughts on the breed of the puppy.
Rza
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msg #3
IP: Logged 7:39:28 PM 7/16/2006
here are the pics...
I forgot to mention I was told I was getting this dog:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/inelek2/06195090900194_1.jpg">;

But when I went to the live cargo hold and this beauty showed up, I figured to let it pass...

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/inelek2/PuppyRza015.jpg">;
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/inelek2/PuppyRza014.jpg">;
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/inelek2/PuppyRza012.jpg">;
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/inelek2/PuppyRza011.jpg">;
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/inelek2/PuppyRza008.jpg">;
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/inelek2/PuppyRza007.jpg">;
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/inelek2/PuppyRza006.jpg">;


i'm in love with the dog but at the same time very dissappointed. Am I being unreasonable? It is my money afterall... argh this is breaking my heart
superwoman
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msg #4
IP: Logged 7:52:40 PM 7/16/2006
Wow that must have been shocking when you found out. I guess that's the beauty of purchasing dogs online. Can I ask how much you paid for him? He is sooo extremely cute, I can see how you fell in love with him, heck..ship him to me I'll have him lol.

I don't really know what to say as I've never ordered one online, I almost did once though. Does this puupy have a health guarantee? I'm sure some people in this forum will know how to deal with this, there's a lot of smart helpers here..

Again, he is sooooooooo adorable I could squeeze him!!
debg
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I'm not a breed expert but my guess would be mini pin also. Scroll down to lpn169 thread title mini pin pic and look at her pictures. I know they say never pay by M/O.

I would keep trying to call them if I were you. You are not being unreasonable. You wanted and though you were buying a JRT.

***Edited By: debg on 7/16/2006 7:59:47 PM***
Reason: ADD
Rza
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msg #6
IP: Logged 7:57:50 PM 7/16/2006
Terribly shocking rollercoaster ride of emotions really. We paid 150 for him plus 250 shipping. Health guarantee and paperwork is supposed to be coming via postal mail.
He is adorable isn't he. I just hate the fact that it feels tainted.
Erbabe337
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IP: Logged 7:58:21 PM 7/16/2006
he's cute
But in NO WAY does he look like a jack russell terrier in any of those pictures. I say keep him, he's adorable.
MommaMia
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msg #8
IP: Logged 8:09:42 PM 7/16/2006
Well he certainly is adorable.

My guess is that if this Breeder is a scammer, you won't ever get through to her.

I would keep this dog and leave it be, IF when you go to the Vets for the check up, all is well. If anything is wrong with him (God forbid) then that is when I would make a bigger deal out of it, use the fact that it is a different dog as well.

Thats a shame this 'breeder' used a different picture. Geez.

He doesn't look like a JRT in the first picture either!

But he is beautiful. Looks like he doesn't want that collar on, it looks like he is trying to take it off with his feet! Too cute ;)
myshadow
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msg #9
IP: Logged 8:14:52 PM 7/16/2006
I'm just noticing in the 'jack russell' photo that the puppy is peeing on the carpet. As a breeder myself, I would not send or post a pic of a puppy for sale of it peeing on carpet. My guess is that they stole this photo from a joke email and sent it over to you instead of the puppy you received. Even though your puppy is still adorable! I agree, not thinking that the first photo is full jack either.

Actually, wondering if he is a min pin-seems a little big-or at least his structure to me. Not an expert on this breed, but just wanted to throw that out there. Still adorable!

***Edited By: myshadow on 7/16/2006 8:17:33 PM***
Reason: add
Rza
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msg #10
IP: Logged 8:21:43 PM 7/16/2006
thank you everybody for your input.
greatly appreciated

this is the ad we responded to

http://www.terrificpets.com/dogs_for_sale/viewad.asp?adid=44943

we are pretty sure that we are keeping him, but I have no faith in any of the promises this lady has made. what's worse is my boyfriend hated the idea of paying by money order and had a bad feeling about this all along. It doesn't help that when I call a little girl answers the phone and then either hangs up or says that the person I need to get in touch with is not home.

Is there any level of protection either through this site or by other means? Let's say we take him to the vet and find out about something being terribly wrong.

*** yea we really have no idea what he is.

***Edited By: Rza on 7/16/2006 8:24:59 PM***
Reason: in response to "what is he?"
myshadow
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msg #11
IP: Logged 8:27:27 PM 7/16/2006
Just found the ad you are referring to. They have a bulldog site listed and the pics don't look the same as the website. They look like very reputable bulldog breeders with gorgeous dogs. I wonder if someone took their site and their information and used the scammers email address and set up this ad. Did you actually talk to someone at the phone # listed on this ad prior to purchase or just email? And is their email the same as on their website??Their site is very impressive and if it is them, I would hope it was a mistake on the airlines part.

***Edited By: myshadow on 7/16/2006 8:28:30 PM***
Reason: edit
MommaMia
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msg #12
IP: Logged 8:38:45 PM 7/16/2006
You know, I wonder that too Shadow.
This might have happened~
This breeder shipped a few puppies from the litter on the same day. When a breeder ships puppies from the same litter, they hand the individual crates over to the Cargo assitants. MAYBE the airlines (like Shadow said) mixed up your pup with another from the litter they shipped the same day???
Their site does look nice. Maybe call them from a different #, like your cell phone and see if they answer. The #'s on the ad and site are the same, but on one of the pages of the site it says Contact 'Myra' and on the ad it says Lisa. But on the home page it says Lisa. Hm...
This gets confusing!
debg
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msg #13
IP: Logged 8:48:32 PM 7/16/2006
There is several names and numbers on the bully site
Rza
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msg #14
IP: Logged 8:52:13 PM 7/16/2006
I called that number and a Daisy answered, Daisy gave me Lisa's number. Lisa is supposed to be the actual seller for this specific dog.

My bf did a whois search on their 2 domains and found some info so he felt a bit more at ease with the purchase, and yes the site looks fairly decent and pretty straight forward, not to criticize their design but it's not too difficult to slap something like that together especially for a scam.

I totally want to give them the benefit of a doubt but with no answer nor call back what am I left to think?

The possilbe cargo foul up makes total sense and she did mention she was shipping a few pups out to California.

We've called from 3 different numbers... unfortunately all from the same area code, so I'd make an assumption that once she sees 626 area code it's us calling.
debg
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msg #15
IP: Logged 9:03:01 PM 7/16/2006
block your number first and see if that works. try *67 then the number you are calling
thelifeofriley
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msg #16
IP: Logged 9:03:22 PM 7/16/2006
Its definatly not the same puppy. Doesnt have the white on the legs like the one from the breeders pic.
I don't know what breed it is though.
MommaMia
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msg #17
IP: Logged 9:06:10 PM 7/16/2006
How is he acting? Does he act like a happy, playful pup? Is he eating/drinking?
I'd be looking for these signs right now.
I'd take him to the Vet tomorrow for a check up as well (if you are going to keep him) just to be sure he is doing well.
Wow, so many names, huh?

I hope you get this sorted out! Good luck to you and your BF! ;)

MommaMia
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IP: Logged 9:07:42 PM 7/16/2006
Or.... call from a pay phone! JK.
But I think once she hears your voice on the other end, she is going to hang up no matter what # shows up.
Rza
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msg #19
IP: Logged 9:13:28 PM 7/16/2006
the dog is fantastic.
he's so playful and fun.
he's eating well and drinking, pooped twice he is really a bundle of joy, we'll videotape him and post a clip up on youtube within the hour, hopefully.
it's a great thing either way but definately a rude surprise.
Rza
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msg #20
IP: Logged 9:21:48 PM 7/16/2006
we got in touch with Daisy,
she's saying the dog is a jack russell but didn't get his tail cut after birth...
still the picture doesn't match.
oh well I'll keep you posted as the news arrives and thank you all very much!
if this was a full on scam we wouldn't have received a dog in the first place eh?

thanks again!!

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bellas_mom
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msg #21
IP: Logged 9:36:42 PM 7/16/2006
He looks like Bella. I feel sorry for you and your position. Give it a few days before you decide for sure what to do.
debg
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msg #22
IP: Logged 10:14:24 PM 7/16/2006
White should predominate (i.e., must be more than 51% white) with tan, black, or brown markings. Brindle markings are unacceptable. This was taken off this site.


http://www.terrier.com/jrtca/standard.php3

But if your happy ,I guess thats what matters, eh?
Good luck with your new baby!
arachyd
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msg #23
IP: Logged 10:32:01 PM 7/16/2006
The pup in the pic you got from the breeder looks more like a Rat Terrier than a JRT but it looks more like an excessively dark JRT than the pup you actually received. The black & tan pup you have does not look like a JRT at all. I've seen tricolor JRT's but none ever had downward-hanging ears like your pup. They all had ears that were a little bit erect and folded directly forward in little triangles. The ears on the tricolor pup in the breeder's pic are how JRT ears look but the rest is wrong. Your pup's legs are longer than a JRT too but the breeder could claim it is a Parson JRT. I sure hope it was an airport mixup. At least the breeder could take your calls and let you know for sure what breed you actually got. I hope you keep the pup anyway and enjoy many years with it. Too much moving isn't good for a dog-it needs to settle in. If it is a Rat Terrier and you wanted a JRT I'm sure you will enjoy the pup. They are both small, bundles of energy and very good at vermin control. JRTs are a bit more rugged.

***Edited By: arachyd on 7/16/2006 10:46:49 PM***
Reason: info
debg
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could also be a hunt terrier..look

http://www.huntterrier.org/
thelifeofriley
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msg #25
IP: Logged 10:41:05 PM 7/16/2006
Did your puppy come with AKC papers?
scenicvalesiberians
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msg #26
IP: Logged 10:54:51 PM 7/16/2006
I am wondering why they didn't put the papers with the crate when the puppy was shipped?
Both dogs I got shipped to me had an envelope taped to the top of the crate with all the paperwork in it that i needed. Nothing came seperate.
Guess it could just be how each individual breeder ships.

Sorry for the mishap and hopefully she will take your calls and at least answer your questions.

And lets pray that this puppy is not sick with anything and will have many happy, healthy years to come with you and your family.

Let us know what you plan to do, keep him or not.
and good luck straightening this out.
ntki
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IP: Logged 11:33:17 PM 7/16/2006
it's def not a jack, but in all honesty it doesn't look like a purebred min pin either, unless it was very poorly bred. i think your "breeder" may be a little confused with the breed that she is advertising..
lpn169
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msg #28
IP: Logged 12:25:48 AM 7/17/2006
Definitely not a Jack Russell, no doubt there. Also I would say not a pure Min Pin either, looks like maybe a Min Pin dach mix due to head shape, ears, etc.....
Wow, dont know what to say except I would be ticked off! If she doesnt answer your calls I would be almost ready to take a scenic drive, lol.

Good luck in whatever you decide.
Rza
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msg #29
IP: Logged 1:54:22 AM 7/17/2006
here is the video link I promised

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9LI6zfTJxE

there is no way i'm giving him up but the whole situation is pretty messed up.

oh well you live and you learn.

hopefully I'll hear something from lisa.
MommaMia
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msg #30
IP: Logged 1:59:45 AM 7/17/2006
That was so cute!!!

He sure looks happy and active!!!

He was giving that toy a hard time LOL

Is his name Rza? Thats pretty, very unique. How is it pronounced?
Rza
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msg #31
IP: Logged 2:25:33 AM 7/17/2006
yea his name is rza.
pronounced rizza

There's a very famous producer/emcee out of New York that is the leader of a group called Wu-Tang Clan. We love old school hip hop and just good music so this is somewhat of an ode to that era of pre 96 hip hop.

Tarentino also hired Rza to do the score for the Kill Bill movies.

Our Rza is great I can't wait to find out what he is!!!
lpn169
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msg #32
IP: Logged 2:27:10 AM 7/17/2006
How cute....he was winning that war! lol
Wonder what other breeds this person sells....I still see daschund in him, even moreso now watching the video...sure is cute though.
sandysmommie
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msg #33
IP: Logged 2:48:37 AM 7/17/2006
I would say..definitely not a JRT or a minpin... I was weary of the ad when i saw the price, 150 for a full bred JRT???? It was still wrong of the "breeder", but look at that cute doxie face! Aww..Good luck with him.
Utopia
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msg #34
IP: Logged 2:52:21 AM 7/17/2006
I am so sorry you got scammed and I would be mad but he is one cute puppy. He looks like he lucked out and found him self at a great home. I would keep him just cause he is so cute and obviously ment to be with you. LOL-- He found his way from Texas to Cali.
I live in San Antonio about an hour away from Austin where he came from and I lived in Ausitn for 6 years. That kennel has a awesome reputation down here with there bulldogs and I cant believe they did you like that. The pup looks nothing like a JRT but like IPN said a Doxi mix. If you would like me to call them from a local number email me at utopiakennel@sbcglobal.net
I would try and help you get ahold of them. The pups in the add do not look full JRT either. The one you were suppose to get reminds me of a Beagle/ Doxi mix. I think the guy you got is super cute.
That is a crazy situation and does not make it easier for other people to trust breeders who ship. Its a shame but it looks like it may be working out for the best.
Halosfire
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msg #35
IP: Logged 6:57:00 AM 7/17/2006
I'm no expert, but my best friend has a JRT that looks EXACTLY like that.. and he's purebred. Her grandparents breed them. It's possible for them to have that coloring.
ruffian
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msg #36
IP: Logged 8:56:54 AM 7/17/2006
halosfire is right JRT can come in black and tan sometimes with a white spot on their chest, but this pups ears still lood more hound than JRT, but that could be bad breeding.

But the other concern is that you didn't get the pup you thought you bought, makes one wonder how many JRT(?) pups these people have though doesn't it?

This is why i like the Canadian law that unless it is regestered it is illegal to sell it as purebred.

I thought you said your pup is regestered, if I'm wrong I am sorry, with who is he regestered?

He is very very cute though.
Rza
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msg #37
IP: Logged 12:12:22 PM 7/17/2006
I will be trying to get in contact with Lisa today, hopefully some better news will come about. If not I would love to you some of your guys offerings of help to find out what may have went wrong and whether I was truly scammed or was just an honest mistake.
EddyV763
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msg #38
IP: Logged 12:21:30 PM 7/17/2006
Hey. Sorry to hear about your loss. On the negative side of the situation, you were lied to and scammed. Especially if the breeders are not answering your calls and such. That is a shame. Because he looks like a Min Pin and not like a Jack Russell. He may be a mix but is looking like a Min Pin to me. I have 2 Min Pins.
However on the positive side of things, atleast you got a puppy. Some people don't even get pups and are completely scammed. I know that still sounds horrible but I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Also, Min Pins are GREAT! I LOVE THEM! and No you are not being unreasonable. You will come to a decision soon enough, and it will be the right one. Best wishes
Rza
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msg #39
IP: Logged 12:51:17 PM 7/17/2006
^^^ Yea we talked about that last night, we actually got a puppy afterall! It could have been way worse and mark my words we would have had someone at their doorstep if we couldn't make that trip ourselves. So it's a bit of a catch 22 but with a wonderful upside. We love Rza. Another issue I had was our townhouse landlord allows small pups. This guy will stay rather small right? I have a feeling he's mixed...
abbylynne
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msg #40
IP: Logged 1:51:15 PM 7/17/2006
I know this is not something anyone ever wants to hear - and I am sorry you got taken - BUT...

You pay for what you get. Usually those breeders who are only asking $100-300 for a puppy are trying to "move" merchandise. They are asking a low price because they want to seem "affordable" to people who don't know better, want a nice puppy, but don't think they should spend hundreds of dollars for one. If the shipping costs more than the puppy, odds are good you're not going to be happy with what you pick up at the airport in some way.

Then consider, that good breeders ask for their puppies what they put into a litter. For me, it costs me at LEAST $1000 to raise a litter of puppies by the time I get through dew claw removal, vaccinations, worming, vet checks, fecal panels, food, toys, cleaning supplies, vet care for the mother, long distance phone calls to prospective families, gas to and from the vet and airport, registrations... That's not even touching how much it costs me to care for the parents or the money I lose by taking time off of work to raise/care for the litter... If I asked $150 for the puppies I'd be essentially paying someone else to take my puppies I'd be losing that much money on the litter... That doesn't even touch on health testing, show expenses, ect... You sincerley have to wonder what corners a breeder is cutting that allow them to ask $150 for a puppy. What aren't they doing???

I totally sympathize with you because before I started breeding I made the exact same mistake. I paid $150 for a puppy from a breeder in Missouri. He told me she was a Sable & White (which would mean solid colored, two brown eyes). The pictures I got were not excellent. He also told me she was 3 months old. When she arrived at the airport she was a Sable Merle with a Blue eye, she was 4 1/2 months old, and she was very underweight and obviously had never seen the outside of the barn she was raised in... I learned very quickly that you pay for what you get.

Unfortunately, the average pet buyer doesn't understand why the average breeder asks what they do for their puppies... so too many people get taken just as you did. I agree the breeder is at fault... but I also feel that as the buyer you need to acknowledge that your choice in breeder was flawed - so that in the future you don't make the same mistake.

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Rza
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msg #41
IP: Logged 2:07:28 PM 7/17/2006
I'm one of those people that live for the truth and what life sets that forth.

My bf made a point about that, why in the world is shipping more than the "item" itself. I was a bit caught up in the moment...

Totally understood, getting what you pay for.

This is what makes the problem even morso difficult, we really don't know anything about the pup so it looks like we'll be footing some heavy bills taking him to the vet and basically starting from square one.

It's a shame people like this exist but capitalism is exactly that. Coming up on others misfortunes, lack of knowledge, etc.

Part of the reason I decided to post on here was to also educate others, through you wonderful owners/breeders/dog lovers, about how best to deal with a situation like this and also avoid it if/when possible.

Live with no regrets but learn from your mistakes.

Thank you all once again, I'll keep you guys updated.
brutus-min
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msg #42
IP: Logged 2:43:59 PM 7/17/2006
maybe it is a min pin jrt cross. another post had them listed as minny jacks.. The pup definetly looks mixed. good luck I hope he is healthy.
laredos_mom
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msg #43
IP: Logged 3:08:41 PM 7/17/2006
Maybe it's a JRT mixed with a Bulldog..LOL. In one pictures a pup's legs look really beefy like a Bulldogs. I don't know though.

The pup you got really is adorable though! :)
shinyblackpit
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msg #44
IP: Logged 3:27:05 PM 7/17/2006
Very cute puppy. I love the pic where someone is holding him up and his eyes are closed.

I agree it is very odd for a breeder to send you a picture of the pup you are supposedly getting in which it is peeing on the floor.

Best of luck with your new baby, regardless of the shadiness of his purchase.

***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 7/17/2006 3:28:24 PM***
Reason: had the wrong gender
Rza
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msg #45
IP: Logged 3:37:12 PM 7/17/2006
ha ha ha yea thats me holding him up.

thanks guys

don't forget to check the video of Rza!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9LI6zfTJxE

sorry about the color, we tried auto correction it helped but made the video grainy, we'll make another one when we take him outside

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Reason: spelling error
GotHusky2
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msg #46
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Like you said you live and you learn....something like that happened to me too. That's why with the new puppy I bought I made the trip, and traveled down to meet the breeder, the parents, and the puppy before I paid.
mellies.mommy
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msg #47
IP: Logged 3:54:37 PM 7/18/2006
Oh my god he's the cutest little thing ever!!!! KEEP HIM!!!!!! or send him to me!!!!!!! he's defintily not a jack russel terrier! but he's damn cute!
arachyd
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msg #48
IP: Logged 7:43:14 PM 7/18/2006
That pic the breeder sent you is one of a few that they have pics of in their ad and the pup you got isn't one of the pics shown. I wonder how old the ad is or if there is any way to check when it was posted. Does this site have any way of limiting breeders who place that mislead people?
TraumaMamma
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msg #49
IP: Logged 8:06:34 PM 7/18/2006
I, too, was scammed....from a breeder on here. I still watch for him, he uses the SAME exact pics and send him hatemail whenever possible.

This is what he said I was gonna get....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/TraumaMamma/stitchcow.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/TraumaMamma/stitchtx.jpg

and this is what I GOT! (and she was verrrrrry sick when I got her....dogster page tells all....)


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/TraumaMamma/DDpictures026.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/TraumaMamma/DDpictures027.jpg


http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=121544&j=t

her now...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/TraumaMamma/100_0698.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/TraumaMamma/100_0694.jpg

Still, I love her to death and she is such a good dog...I often wonder what happened to the rest of her litter...Stitch will be treated like a queen for the rest of her life!

xooxo Donna
siennalovesmax
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joined: 1/30/2006
posts: 1181

msg #50
IP: Logged 8:37:34 PM 7/18/2006
Trauma mamma its so hard to believe that was stitch. She looked so tiny, too tiny. I'm so glad she made it, ugh that guy should be put in jail. At least there's kind hearted people out you there who helped her to survive she's a real cutie now!
laineval
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joined: 7/18/2006
posts: 1

msg #51
IP: Logged 8:44:58 PM 7/18/2006
Rza: I just happened upon this site and saw your topic. I read every single response to your dilemma, and I couldn't believe how everyone was so considerate! Usually, you see folks condemning a person for making a mistake or not being absolutley sure about a purchase that they make online.
I myself purchased a Newfoundland online from a Breeder in Missouri about five years ago. I was lucky enough to receive the girl I was promised! The pictures of her pups look exactly like she did in her own puppy photo's, except for the landseers! I also checked references before making the actual purchase.
You have to go with your heart. Will you be happy with this little pup years down the road? Or will you always regret being scammed?
Have you taken the pup to your vet yet? In my puppy contracts, the owner must take the puppy they purchase to their own veterinarian within 72 hours. Even though a Health Certificate goes to the pup's new home, it's a good idea to be certain you're receiving a healthy addition to your family!
Who knows? Maybe "Fate" brought you two together. I wish you the best of luck and remember that every Breeder is not a scammer! Next time, be sure to really do your homework before buying online! Regards.
TraumaMamma
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joined: 2/15/2005
posts: 554

msg #52
IP: Logged 8:45:36 PM 7/18/2006
She was 2.2 lbs when we got her. She didnt know how to eat or drink out of a bowl. I suspect she was ripped away from her mother and plunked on the plane. We almost lost her....she was 10% dehydrated and had blood in her stool. 550.00 vet bill 24 hrs after we got her....the vet wrote her off for dead.

I got the idiots paypal account cancelled and was in contact with the USDA. Seems this character gets his puppies from Columbia. Then they go to Texas. Her "Health certificate" was all in spanish.

I still smile fondly when I think of her, as she was in the pic, sleeping on my neck...dreaming, and softly sighing. As a mom, I held each of my kids as they slept and I felt like a mom all over again. Stitch has given more back to me, than I feel I have given to her.
dune
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joined: 7/18/2006
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msg #53
IP: Logged 9:13:46 PM 7/18/2006
send a picture of the dog to the police in their town and tell them they scammed you. Get people involved immediately and don't let up. Call the news, newspapers, TV. Don't be taken advantage of. I think I'm thinking twice about my purchase. Thank you.
mammamia
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joined: 3/29/2005
posts: 320

msg #54
IP: Logged 9:24:43 PM 7/18/2006
Cute MinPin!!! LOL I agree with the last poster personally I would be making a fuss, this is how bad people are stopped. The more that are caught, charged etc the more dogs saved.
Rza
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joined: 7/16/2006
posts: 14

msg #55
IP: Logged 10:43:10 PM 7/18/2006
We took Rza to the vet today, he's a min pin/doxi.
Thats the official word.
We got him his shots and everything set for his vaccinations and check ups. I will put together some information and send to the local authorities in her jurisdiction.

Another thing,
utopia,
if you see this please post as I could use your assistance in filing or getting in touch with the police since you are also familiar with that area of Texas.

Yes we are going to try to put this person/people out of business.

Thank you all for your help once again!

He's healthy too, he's got worms though... but we already started him on the meds just in case.
Rza
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joined: 7/16/2006
posts: 15

msg #56
IP: Logged 10:48:57 PM 7/18/2006
i don't know if you guys know of...
digg.com
but if you can
please digg this article so we can get a bit more internet notice on it.

http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Looking_to_buy_a_puppy_online_Beware_of_potential_scams!

it's basically an online news site that caters to public submitted articles.
irishgirl
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joined: 5/18/2006
posts: 345

msg #57
IP: Logged 10:58:40 PM 7/18/2006
Hello ~Rza~ :)

I regret to say this but... the dog posted in both photos is not a JRT. I have a 4 month old purebred JRT puppy.

I've added some photos to show you... (any excuse to show off my little fur baby) :)

Here's Turbo at 8 weeks old:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g162/irishjrt/IMG_01791.jpg

Here's another snap shot when he was 3 months old:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g162/irishjrt/IMG_01891.jpg

Is it possible that there were 2 dogs travelling that day? Possibly a mix up... I'm grasping here. Even though your pup isn't a JRT... he's absolutely cuuuute!

Sometimes events happen in our lives without us having any control over them. It's these uncontrolled events that have crossed our path for reason. Perhaps the original puppy wouldn't have given you the joy that your present pup does.

Putting aside my flowery speech... You should by all means report this unorthodox business transaction. Perhaps if you do... you'll have the closure your looking for? :) Please keep us all in touch!

***Edited By: irishgirl on 7/18/2006 11:01:32 PM***
Reason: sp correction
Elante
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joined: 2/9/2005
posts: 22

msg #58
IP: Logged 11:10:36 PM 7/18/2006
In your post, you stated that you sent a money order for him. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Did you mail the money order to the seller? If so, I would file a complaint with the Post Office for mail fraud. I threatened an ebay seller with this once, when I sent a money order and the merchandise did not arrive. It came within two days of my threatening to file a complaint for mail fraud. I believe it is a felony. It might be worth a try to leave her a message that unless she gets back to you within XX hours, you'll be filing a complaint.
Rza
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joined: 7/16/2006
posts: 16

msg #59
IP: Logged 11:22:51 PM 7/18/2006
it was sent via moneygram... any protection there?
from what i've read there isn't
oh we love the dog
we are happy
we also do not want this to happen to someone else.
Utopia
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joined: 2/10/2006
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msg #60
IP: Logged 12:42:05 AM 7/19/2006
RZA sorry I have been gone all day and just checked my computer. I stay logged into this site for some strange reason I can log out and turn my computer on and already be logged in....
I will call tomorrow and get you as much info as I can.

***Edited By: utopia on 7/19/2006 4:26:10 PM***
Reason: aa

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